tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post281280660433957759..comments2023-03-27T10:54:13.350-07:00Comments on Winston Smith: Evil Triumphs when Adults Abandon Their ResponsibilitiesWinstonSmith33http://www.blogger.com/profile/15780806194174659730noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-22940562673204006082010-04-19T15:59:07.105-07:002010-04-19T15:59:07.105-07:00In the late 70s I became aware of the sharp rises ...In the late 70s I became aware of the sharp rises in offences by and imprisonment of delinquents mentioned above. Some argued they were bad so should be imprisoned. Others they were ill so should be treated. Advocates of prison blamed treatment for encouraging crime while advocates of treatment blamed prison for further damaging lives. I argued for prompt, painful but non-custodial punishment, George CA Talbothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18239480745401938873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-83396336441700309582010-04-15T13:10:07.969-07:002010-04-15T13:10:07.969-07:00Have now be burgled 3 times, spat on over my garde...Have now be burgled 3 times, spat on over my garden fence and nightly watch kids climb on my fence. The last time I confronted them (being between the age of 10 -13) they simply stated 'yer and what are you going to do about it', 'push you off' was my short but abrupt reply, 'then I'll get you done'. Its not worth phoning the police AGAIN, who turn up 3 days after Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-6996072749537031672010-04-15T11:35:02.136-07:002010-04-15T11:35:02.136-07:00"The level of idiotic crime"
I love tha..."The level of idiotic crime"<br /><br />I love that definition (honestly)AnonymousAcademicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-67472189674524901352010-04-14T11:37:57.855-07:002010-04-14T11:37:57.855-07:00I agree with you Winston. The level of idiotic cr...I agree with you Winston. The level of idiotic crime is on the increase and getting younger. There is no respect anymore for anyone, not even themselves. I was given lip from a 3yr old the other day when I asked him to stop climbing on my garden fence! And the area I live in is full of, I hate to say it, young parents who obviously haven't had decent parents themselves, who treat their sajaspernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-53255555763007318612010-04-14T07:36:41.289-07:002010-04-14T07:36:41.289-07:00I would not last 5 minutes in your environment. Th...I would not last 5 minutes in your environment. That drunken kid for instance, I would have dealt with him as he deserved.Clivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11691036094535866980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-58874873543707780672010-04-14T07:23:03.952-07:002010-04-14T07:23:03.952-07:00Hi Yakoub,
I agree with you that unaccountable au...Hi Yakoub,<br /><br />I agree with you that unaccountable authority that is abused and overly severe should be challenged. Yes, there were teachers that were excessively brutal and sadistic in their administering of corporal punishment (this however doesn't mean limited corporal punishment is bad) and of course there were widespread problems with the police and judicial systems.<br /><br />WinstonSmith33https://www.blogger.com/profile/15780806194174659730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-62251015764235588702010-04-14T05:36:40.245-07:002010-04-14T05:36:40.245-07:00"When I was at school (1970s), I tolerated te..."When I was at school (1970s), I tolerated teachers who would use their position of authority either insensitively, violently and for their own personal gratification. Not all teachers were like that, but the bad undermined the good, and none were accountable, however awful they were. I grew up with Black and Asian and gay friends with a police force who were racist and homophobic (and AnonymousAcademicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-1336446376506303972010-04-14T04:00:24.046-07:002010-04-14T04:00:24.046-07:00When I was at school (1970s), I tolerated teachers...When I was at school (1970s), I tolerated teachers who would use their position of authority either insensitively, violently and for their own personal gratification. Not all teachers were like that, but the bad undermined the good, and none were accountable, however awful they were. I grew up with Black and Asian and gay friends with a police force who were racist and homophobic (and crooked). IYakoubhttp://www.bayyinat.org.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-11101778551075797562010-04-09T10:28:14.800-07:002010-04-09T10:28:14.800-07:00@ Interested
"Get them off the streets, in l...@ Interested<br /><br />"Get them off the streets, in large numbers, and we can begin to address the causes (not to mention, allow their weak, elderly and vulnerable victims some respite); with them in the barrel, the rot spreads."<br /><br />The UK became Europe's most prolific incarcerator under Blair - recently the trend has continued and you can check here (Telegraph btw:) http:Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-52095246952387871882010-04-09T01:46:34.554-07:002010-04-09T01:46:34.554-07:00Anon:
First, violent crime has not fallen; the A&...Anon:<br /><br />First, violent crime has not fallen; the A&E figures show this, and even if they didn't (if you know anything about crime recording) you'll also be aware that the police have been caught out under-recording violent crime. Updated figures are due soon.<br /><br />Am I 'really suggesting that academic Criminology has that much influence on the actual incidence of Interested of Warwickshirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-1842069763515116772010-04-08T09:45:30.282-07:002010-04-08T09:45:30.282-07:00@Wayne King
"Your chaps will only be looking...@Wayne King<br /><br />"Your chaps will only be looking ar reported crime. I know many people who do not report crime any more as 'there is no point'! I would trust the A&E treatment of stabbing figures over the HO/Police recorded crime stats any day."<br /><br />I agree with several of the points in this.<br /><br />1) I know plenty of people from my own life (research Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-71594928647488507662010-04-08T09:31:59.511-07:002010-04-08T09:31:59.511-07:00@The Spirit of Malcolm Mudridge
"This has al...@The Spirit of Malcolm Mudridge<br /><br />"This has always been the position of the left; from Mao and Stalin downwards, they have been prepared to lie and accept lies if it served the greater plan. The hard left have been prepared to kill in the millions; the soft left prefer to massage figures."<br /><br />I was making a serious point about the different agencies which give us Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-67914162173520777702010-04-08T09:24:26.925-07:002010-04-08T09:24:26.925-07:00@Interested
"Up until the late 1960s, as the...@Interested<br /><br />"Up until the late 1960s, as the Home Office graph I posted shows, crime generally and violent crime in particular, was much lower and under general control pre around 1968.<br /><br />After 1968, it very clearly shoots up.<br /><br />You like stats and figures - why not engage with this one."<br /><br />Happy to.<br /><br />First of all, the point is (following Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-34660818577859146422010-04-08T09:24:26.926-07:002010-04-08T09:24:26.926-07:00@InterestedOfWarwickshire
"To turn to the re...@InterestedOfWarwickshire<br /><br />"To turn to the rest of your comment, I don't assume or imply that all left wing people lie; I simply say they are wrong about crime and its prevention (and the fact that crime figures have risen dramatically from just about the point that liberal criminology took hold in our universities and in our political discourse in the mid 1960s suggests that IAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-35680541335933433892010-04-07T08:24:27.440-07:002010-04-07T08:24:27.440-07:00Dear Anon who has Criminologists in his department...Dear Anon who has Criminologists in his department:- Your chaps will only be looking ar reported crime. I know many people who do not report crime any more as 'there is no point'! I would trust the A&E treatment of stabbing figures over the HO/Police recorded crime stats any day. <br /><br />Out of interest do you work with any people who would vote for UKIP or Tories ( a guess would Wayne Kingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-11380995261094717702010-04-07T02:49:11.585-07:002010-04-07T02:49:11.585-07:00@ ANON
"Just to give some context-the Office ...@ ANON<br />"Just to give some context-the Office of National Stats and the National Audit Office are statutorily separate from the government of the day. That's why professional researchers tend to use them to check government or political party figure, as happened here."<br /><br />In the 1930s, the official figures from the USSR said that the Ukraine was awash with wheat. In factThe Spirit of Malcolm Muggeridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-66682958445005177282010-04-07T01:58:20.762-07:002010-04-07T01:58:20.762-07:00Anon 15:37/51/59 (I assume you are one and the sam...Anon 15:37/51/59 (I assume you are one and the same) said "lol and presumably your extensive engagement with this academic discipline gives you some evidence on which to base this? Or are you just blustering the first lazy dismissal of academic research that cones to mind because it suits your case in lieu of evidence?"<br /><br />Actually, yes, my own extensive engagement with this Interested of Warwickshirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-35692713336617584402010-04-06T15:59:10.467-07:002010-04-06T15:59:10.467-07:00I'm not saying the Home Office don't cook
...I'm not saying the Home Office don't cook<br />the books either-the difference there being that there is 'plausible denial' in the difference of recording between health statistics and crime figures (although I don't think they were checking too hard either).<br /><br />Just to give some context-the Office of National Stats and the National Audit Office are statutorily Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-41783848749676486572010-04-06T15:51:17.138-07:002010-04-06T15:51:17.138-07:00"But even assuming they are telling the truth..."But even assuming they are telling the truth, over the long term, modern history-wise, it is undisputed (and indisputable) that violent crime has risen."<br /><br />that's just not true - the Victorian era particularly in the industrial cities was horrendously violent and the murder rates in Glasgow and London slums, just two examples, was known to be large (this comes from primaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-26579454245137418032010-04-06T15:37:56.835-07:002010-04-06T15:37:56.835-07:00"I very much doubt whether C4, or criminologi..."I very much doubt whether C4, or criminologists (almost all of whom are left wing)"<br /><br />@Interested of Warwickshire<br /><br />lol and presumably your extensive engagement with this academic discipline gives you some evidence on which to base this? Or are you just blustering the first lazy dismissal of academic research that cones to mind because it suits your case in lieu of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-34506745138014700042010-04-06T07:37:25.104-07:002010-04-06T07:37:25.104-07:00Anon 10:02 said: "Good to hear about your awa...Anon 10:02 said: "Good to hear about your award nomination - however I'm afraid you would appear to be wrong about violent crime going up"<br /><br />That C4 news piece you link to only addresses the question of whether violent crime has risen or not under Labour - ie in the last 13 years.<br /><br />Personally, based on my own experience and knowledge of the criminal justice systemInterested of Warwickshirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-27840520829729342522010-04-06T03:35:02.149-07:002010-04-06T03:35:02.149-07:00I guess the problem with the Victoria Station murd...I guess the problem with the Victoria Station murder (and i commute through there everyday) is two things;<br /><br />1) Fear of the consequences of violence. <br /><br />The thought of how you could get hurt yourself. There are countless examples of people trying to do the right thing and getting beaten to death by a bunch of feral youths. One or possibly two most adults could handle (i'm 6&Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-22637231372872991042010-04-06T03:22:01.298-07:002010-04-06T03:22:01.298-07:00Absolutely, which is a great reason to ignore some...Absolutely, which is a great reason to ignore someone who, in just the latest example of wanton aggression and incivility called a Police officer whose views on drugs differed from his a 'uniformed cretin'.<br /><br />There are plenty of people out there making the same points, however they appear to be able to do so with some regard for evidence over bloody mindedness and without being Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-21963641039798238072010-04-05T15:40:29.457-07:002010-04-05T15:40:29.457-07:00I agree that Peter Hitchens is indeed a controvers...I agree that Peter Hitchens is indeed a controversial individual and whilst I disagree with most of what he says, he is particularly homophobic and way to religious for me. However, some of his views on crime and welfarism are spot on.<br /><br />Whilst he often irritates me on many issues I continue to read him to be aware of the many differing viewpoints that are available. There are other WinstonSmith33https://www.blogger.com/profile/15780806194174659730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-22671401963180230372010-04-05T10:02:34.909-07:002010-04-05T10:02:34.909-07:00Good to hear about your award nomination - however...Good to hear about your award nomination - however I'm afraid you would appear to be wrong about violent crime going up;<br /><br />http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/2010/03/09/is-violent-crime-going-up-or-down/<br /><br />I spoke to a couple of Criminologists in the department after reading the above; both were in agreement that while the problems you describe here in terms of your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com