tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post4330965304172781617..comments2023-03-27T10:54:13.350-07:00Comments on Winston Smith: The Riots in London are a Culmination of Decades of Failed Social PoliciesWinstonSmith33http://www.blogger.com/profile/15780806194174659730noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-49830062277332407852011-12-11T07:29:58.959-08:002011-12-11T07:29:58.959-08:00I totally agree; I live in Manchester and work 20 ...I totally agree; I live in Manchester and work 20 hours a week, and so get way below the average wage. In fact, I could be described as 'living in poverty'.<br /><br />Although I am apparently a mere peasant, I still have a roof over my head, have a laptop, a HDTV, central heating, a smartphone, and so on. In fact, I, along with many people in my situation, live a life that the Caesars Rob Fnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-25089573897711659342011-08-18T12:36:32.677-07:002011-08-18T12:36:32.677-07:00Wetting rioters isn't an issue. Water cannon,...Wetting rioters isn't an issue. Water cannon, though, have been and will in the future, be misused. Take out target's feet, he batters his head on pavement. He sustains brain damage, becomes a greater burden on society. You can achieve a similar end with baton rounds. It would be far more effective and cost effective to issue a warning, which if ignored, would be followed by the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-33925949135618548262011-08-15T17:22:28.182-07:002011-08-15T17:22:28.182-07:00You didn't notice the financial crisis? Have a...You didn't notice the financial crisis? Have a good job, don't realise that despite huge gains in productivity, there has been a decline in the share the bottom 90% has of real national income?<br /><br />Nah, it's just scum stealing trainers. It's just so much easier to see the world in those terms, and as long as there are lazy "thinkers" like you, there will be Dr Zenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14447633362204112316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-76246765290728971782011-08-15T10:54:15.688-07:002011-08-15T10:54:15.688-07:00Hibbo, Hibbo, Hibbo, Hibbo.
Please, understand my...Hibbo, Hibbo, Hibbo, Hibbo.<br /><br />Please, understand my point then respond to it, if you have a response.<br /><br />I am saying there is a reason people behave destructively, and that it is not because of the absence of suitable punishment, because we all live under the same regime. If your argument was correct then we would all be looting, because we know we could get away with it. HoweverMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-28699272038500066502011-08-14T09:34:46.277-07:002011-08-14T09:34:46.277-07:00Michael. Michael Michael Michael.
What on earth a...Michael. Michael Michael Michael.<br /><br />What on earth are you talking about? "Authoritarianism"? "Authoritarian containment?"<br /><br />Do you even know what authoritarianism means? It is authoritarian to tell and force people to believe in, vote for, act and live their lives as a dictator demands. It is most definitely NOT authoritarian to want people that continue to Hibbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-75693784148546533362011-08-13T13:05:46.512-07:002011-08-13T13:05:46.512-07:00Winston, it's all very well saying there must ...Winston, it's all very well saying there must be consequences for actions but why do the actions happen in the first place? I have no desire to go out looting and rioting, and it's not because I am afraid of the punishment. Your response to me shows that you have missed my point. You say:<br /><br />"I also didnt have a utopian childhood so by your logic I would have the right to go Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-13184027809128389802011-08-13T10:56:09.767-07:002011-08-13T10:56:09.767-07:00@ Michael.
Thank you for taking the time to write...@ Michael.<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to write such an idealistic, articulate but specious essay. It is the type of drivel I used to believe wholeheartedly in but working with the underclass opened my eyes.<br /><br />I am not advocating an overly authoritarian state. Just consequences for violent disorder and serious criminal acts. Over the past two years I have been unemployed forWinstonSmith33https://www.blogger.com/profile/15780806194174659730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-34762229486685210992011-08-13T10:22:44.841-07:002011-08-13T10:22:44.841-07:00In essence you are saying that we have insufficien...In essence you are saying that we have insufficient authoritarianism and excessive rehabilitation, that people are not adequately controlled and punished for what is deemed bad behaviour. I'm not sure where the welfare angle is supposed to come into it as you just include it in the list of causes with no further comment.<br /><br />That is the sum of your argument, or it would be if it was Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-64303511817542456622011-08-12T07:33:03.551-07:002011-08-12T07:33:03.551-07:00I hope your writing does some good. However, I ha...I hope your writing does some good. However, I have been reading blogs from "the trenches" for several years - Theodore Dalrymple, David Copperfield - and sadly it seems that telling truth to power has absolutely no effect. While you will receive sporadic interest from the mainstream media, the effect on public policy five years down the line will be nil.<br /><br />Something more is James N. Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10755477554557323926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-50331789415747577242011-08-12T03:24:46.605-07:002011-08-12T03:24:46.605-07:00Anonymous said...
Does anyone have the link to the...Anonymous said...<br />Does anyone have the link to the Five Live appearance, I cannot find it (the BBC search function is rubbish).<br /><br />Any help would be appreciated<br /><br />11 August 2011 09:20 <br />I think this is the right one Anonymous <br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0132q3l/Shelagh_Fogarty_10_08_2011/<br />Excellent Post Winston, refreshing to read someone tell it as Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09734713420351235109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-54473889792709676642011-08-11T19:01:41.141-07:002011-08-11T19:01:41.141-07:00This all makes me think of a quote by Alexander Ty...This all makes me think of a quote by Alexander Tytler:<br /><br />“A democracy is always temporary in nature;<br />it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.<br />A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover<br />that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.<br />From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidatesWyverexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-86687720338705289392011-08-11T09:53:51.640-07:002011-08-11T09:53:51.640-07:00Oops, may I apologies on "Dirty Euro's&qu...Oops, may I apologies on "Dirty Euro's" behalf. We had a rather petty argument on youtube which revolved around the fact that he blamed the riots entirely on the Tories and their spending cuts (while simultaneously ignoring the failed social policies as documented by Winston Smith).<br /><br />I referred him to your blog, but unfortunately he developed the bizarre idea that I was inKamik2205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-89516255462891725652011-08-11T09:26:25.003-07:002011-08-11T09:26:25.003-07:00"Too bad: several looters have admitted to lo..."Too bad: several looters have admitted to looting 'just because they could' and 'everybody else is doing it'. No underlying social dissatisfaction at all."<br /><br />Yup, they even boasted of being able to easily afford it. After all, the 11 year old boy came out of the courts carrying 2 handphones. I can't afford that and I work a full time job.<br /><br />It'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-90678980807068366982011-08-11T09:20:44.803-07:002011-08-11T09:20:44.803-07:00Does anyone have the link to the Five Live appeara...Does anyone have the link to the Five Live appearance, I cannot find it (the BBC search function is rubbish).<br /><br />Any help would be appreciatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-85827025850645418792011-08-11T07:18:08.357-07:002011-08-11T07:18:08.357-07:00Too bad: several looters have admitted to looting ...Too bad: several looters have admitted to looting 'just because they could' and 'everybody else is doing it'. No underlying social dissatisfaction at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-63353058106035696642011-08-11T05:55:07.810-07:002011-08-11T05:55:07.810-07:00Everybody seems to think these riots are the unint...Everybody seems to think these riots are the unintended result of political intentions gone wrong. But these riots are not an accident: this is exactly what socialist schemers intended to happen when they unloosened the immigration wave drowning the west. They <i>meant</i> to destroy the bourgeois, white middle class culture of Europe - exactly as the marxists said should happen..<br />Our Paardestaarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07220926829644747999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-10466111746085393802011-08-11T05:39:17.684-07:002011-08-11T05:39:17.684-07:00Winston - I drove to Northampton yesterday and had...Winston - I drove to Northampton yesterday and had the radio on for the whole journey. One voice (yours) stood out amongst all the others as the voice of sense, reason and actually of somebody who cared about getting to the real gnarly root of all this.<br /><br />It was so refreshing. Thanks. <br /><br />MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-48347079230511330562011-08-11T04:45:10.848-07:002011-08-11T04:45:10.848-07:00"consider reintroducing national service, too..."consider reintroducing national service, too, to instil discipline"<br /><br />A family friend was one ot the last to be forced in to National Service. He has told me of his life before, riding a motor cycle, getting in to fights with Mods, running around drinking, smoking & fighting. He did hie two years & as he puts it "I went in to the Army a thug & I came out as a Officer Friendlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-89327584383444865872011-08-11T04:02:40.623-07:002011-08-11T04:02:40.623-07:00Foxtrot Uniform here.
My father was in the job fo...Foxtrot Uniform here.<br /><br />My father was in the job for 25 years and my grandfather was also head of the Yards Drug Squad for years.<br />So I am pro-police. Having emigrated from the UK recently, or should I say England as the BBC now indicates the riots are an English phenomenom, I see the police where I am are in charge unlike the emasculated officers in England. Here a prison sentence Dr Luana O'Connorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15542931778171477529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-57496235665638019882011-08-11T01:33:34.803-07:002011-08-11T01:33:34.803-07:00Winston,
Delingpole has quoted you at length with...Winston,<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100100339/what-will-happen-to-the-convicted-rioters/" rel="nofollow">Delingpole</a> has quoted you at length without proper credit. (He did mention you in the tags.) This appears to be a simple oversight as he correctly credits Inspector Gadget. I have sent him a message via his website asking him to do so.Roue le Jourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09099318677226041054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-16977768658634538282011-08-10T19:46:25.914-07:002011-08-10T19:46:25.914-07:00National Service is not the answer. Why should the...National Service is not the answer. Why should the Armed Forces be lumbered with educating and instiling discipline into "yoofs" that have been failed by their parents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-53867595321403422932011-08-10T15:40:27.637-07:002011-08-10T15:40:27.637-07:00Put the offenders in the army...including a spell ...Put the offenders in the army...including a spell in Iraq.Kiwibirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-90419211282834923942011-08-10T15:02:14.042-07:002011-08-10T15:02:14.042-07:00@KaMiK2205 Straw man bull shit. I never said i sup...@KaMiK2205 Straw man bull shit. I never said i supported the riots or murder. I said the riots happened under the tories and never happened under labour. Those are the FACTS.<br />Now why did the riots happen under the tories? <br />Why is it OK for you to blame the riots on labour. when they have happened under tory government you straw man bull shitter. <br />The right wing policies cause riotsDirty Euronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-34278473368455218282011-08-10T14:43:55.555-07:002011-08-10T14:43:55.555-07:00It is the tories faukt. I knew there would be riot...It is the tories faukt. I knew there would be riots under Boris. I like him but he is out of touch and wants tax cuts for the rich while the poor get poorer. <br />The riots are evil.Dirty Euronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5224377669164135329.post-6241237711970684092011-08-10T12:44:45.669-07:002011-08-10T12:44:45.669-07:00Winston I dread to imagine what Cheeky Chappy was ...Winston I dread to imagine what Cheeky Chappy was advocating given the other fairly extreme comments that you do publish. Some of the commentators here seem to have as much difficulty containing their anger than the rioters themsleves. It's just as well that you welcome such extreme views as most of your supporters are of a simular ilk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com